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rakpat |
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What is yours or where you ride.. Or just what do you think is best??
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xemzsx.barrowhallstables |
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We use sand.
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Pinto Lover |
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sand, and I think the base is screenings.
**Vickey**
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rakpat |
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What is screenings? We have just sand but I would like rubber crumb and some arena moist.. lol
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speedymoose |
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Our horses don't work in sand and I hate showing in it. Hard on their feet. The best footing by far that I've shown on has been "crush and
run" limestone....tiny little pieces of limestone that is crushed very fine and it packs wonderfully....not too hard, not too soft. Good in rainy
conditions (though a bit messy) and doesn't pack in their feet.
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Zimarina |
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For what we do, its GOT to be sand to show in. You'll sore a horse's joints up fast showing on a hard surface. Cutting horses get down into the footing
and really use themselves. They has to be some "give" to the footing.
We have never seen any evidence of it being hard on feet. If the footing is too hard, first thing you'll see is horses quit stopping hard. Not a good thing. Younger horses tend to not be near as physical as the seasoned horse, they dont' get down as far into the footing as an Open horse can and will. |
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speedymoose |
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It's a discipline thing, I think. Our padded horses work with lubricants and chains on. Our flatshod horses do not. However, we are all subjected to the
same inspection processes. There can be no flaking skin, no cracks, no creases, no wrinkles, (all of which can easily be caused by the horse standing still and
sweating....this part has gone WAY overboard), and it goes without saying that there can be no calluses, skin thickening, irritated places or tenderness on
their feet. If there is, there are penalties and suspensions, fines, and usually a court case to contend with (and that is on a federal level, not state or
local). So, when our horses work in sandy conditions, there is a chance that the sand will become an abrasive agent and wear the hair and / or the top level of
skin off the horse's foot. That's why we don't like sand....it causes the ridiculous inspection standards to be even more ridiculous! It's
really gotten crazy....after working or standing in hot weather, one would be hard pressed to find skin likened to a newborn foal on any horse of any
discipline! By the way, at mixed breed shows (with racking horses and saddlebreds and arabians and jumpers), the walking and racking horses are the ONLY ones
subjected to these inspections....when it is clear to everyone that all should be inspected for the same things.
By the way, regarding these inspections....when we present a mare and foal pair, weanlings, yearlings, or lead line ponies for show, they are also inspected with the same criteria. Usually before they go into the ring, and if they win (or it's a big show, then they select randomly in addition to the winners) they must go back through. The horses must walk a pattern (in hand, of course) to see how he moves, then both front feet are lifted and palpated by the inspector....sometimes two inspectors.....and if the federal government is there, well, up to 6 or 8 people may inspect your horse when you take him through....one right after the other, picking up each front foot and mashing around on it to see if there is a problem....and most people are worried that by the time that many people have picked up the horse's feet and handled them, the horse will eventually get tired and will eventually move around. And, look at your own hands.....are there thickenings of the skin or calluses? I sure have my share of calluses....and I've never had any action device on them in my life! We are subjected to inspections that will reject us and face us with horrible fines....from things that for most horses, are from just being a horse....not from improper training! Did I mention that the horse is expected to stand still as a statue during all this? One flinch, even to swat a fly, and it's all over. It's crazy!!!! Which is the big reason I don't get too upset when there is a rule imposed on another discipline from time to time.....whatever drugging rule, whatever inspection the horse has to pass, probably isn't as rigorous as what we deal with.....at every show!!!! Most horses couldn't pass what our horses do. I didn't address what the show inspectors do to inspect our shoes (padded or flatshod)....that's a whole other ballgame!! And we have to be constantly aware that every step the horse takes can be detrimental if anything has a chance of happening that would cause the horse not to pass inspection. I've worked horses of other breeds and disciplines in sand and it is a great footing for that....it is just counterproductive for use in this breed/discipline. Just shows another difference in what we all do! Were I to show another quarter horse (for example) stock seat, I'd fully expect sand footing....it would only make sense because it's the best thing for them. The crush and run footing I mentioned gets hard, however if the surface is prepared correctly, the first layer is laid and packed and another layer is put on top of it and loosely packed. At home our horses are bathed after each ride to get the sweat and debris off their feet and bodies....much like any other type of horse! As I said, just the difference in disciplines! |
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rakpat |
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Sand works best for us if it is worked regularly.. Rain does make it hard so needs to be harrowed after it rains.. Hoping to get hubby to do it today..
Does sound like your discipline is very strict Speedy..Probably a good thing.. |
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Zimarina |
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Sheesh Speedy! Talk about having Big Brother in your pocket!! That's unreal!
The most that a cutter will have to do is they will randomly choose one or two in a class, depending on class size, and you'll have to drop your bit on the way out and show the judge. As to calluses, yep, guilty as charged. Like you, I've worked darn hard for them too. I sure had no idea all what you guys go thru just to show your horse in a racking horse show. Unreal. Thanks for telling us about it! |
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speedymoose |
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Bad thing is, we are going through all this due to things that happened 40 years ago that have been changed and abolished. Things aren't like that now, but
due to peta and hsus and other orginizations, we are still suffering for it. They tell us (and the rest of the world) that we abuse our horses and don't
take care of them.....we don't abuse them and we take wonderful care of them....we couldn't pass inspections if it were any other way.....and I'm
personally not going to spend $20,000 on a horse and let anything other than the best of care and training happen to him. What would be the point? Every
discipline has to have a way to keep things in check....ours works fine, it's just that the government has it's say in our industry and cite the Horse
Protection Act (which actually only covers the way horses are transported, not stabled, trained, or shown) as their reasoning. We do have lobbyists in DC to
work with these people and do negotiations (and so do every other major breed). Hopefully, we can make things better....we've turned the whole industry
around in the past several years.....but we don't know at what point they'll say we've done good enough....probably never, at this rate!!! But we
keep on trying....it's a horrible thing to go through and yall all need to be really happy that the discipline you have doesn't require what this one
does.....it's quite strict....and we normally can't show back to back weekends due to the loss of hair on their feet....which will give a ticket with
suspension and/or fines every time.
I'm understanding that the racing industry is beginning to get a small taste of what we deal with....their commission, peta, and hsus are tightning up....and extremists are calling for the end of all racing everywhere for any reason. And they've drawn up so tight you couldn't get a ten-penny nail in their butts. And rightly so....they know they have things to change and they're about to suffer the wrath of a bunch of extremists organizations that have a bunch of outlandish ideas.....Hell, they didn't want us to deworm our horses a few years ago, because it was introducing something to the horse that was POISONOUS TO THE WORMS AND THEY HAD A RIGHT TO BE THERE TOO. Biggest crock I ever heard!!!!! They are exactly that.....extremists who've never been out of their corporate high rise long enough to know which end of a horse poops and which end eats!!! |
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Zimarina |
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Oh I hear ya, PETA does a fantastic job of spreading it's lies and the warm n fuzzies out there believe it hook, line and sinker. Some of the things that
have been said about the cutting industry, well, just as much crap as what you put up with.
They LOVE to jump on the fact that a futurity horse is a 3 year old. What they don't tell you is that colt is just a couple months shy of 4 years old. It's less dramatic that way. They make it sound like horses are disposable. Maybe in some industries they are, but not in cutting horses. Did you hear they are now trying to make races with jumps banned too? I'm not sure of the correct term, but apparently there was a race not long ago where 2 horses were killed. Why not ban it to haul them in trailers too! There have been horses killed by merely hauling them! And why stop there! Lets ban vaccines too, horses have had reactions to them dont you know. If the people making the laws had to live by them, walk in our shoes, they might get a little common sense! As it is, they live in apartments, most have never even touched a real live horse. Yet, they feel they have the right to make choices for the rest of us. Here's an idea, if the politician is in office, ANY OFFICE, vote him/her out! Lets get some completely fresh faces in there! The rest of us, we the people, might have a chance then! |
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rakpat |
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Here here.. exactly the people making the laws have not a real clue of what goes on...
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speedymoose |
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Well, ours is definitely a case of that....they send people from their big city offices to the field (horse shows and barns, etc.) to take undercover footage
of the horrible things they think are going on. Then the folks in the offices in the big cities (where we all know there are lots of horses, right?) make
judgements and laws and make all this crap public and get lots of donations to back their cause. It's a load of $hit and everybody should know their true
motives....
I read not long ago that the m.o. of the new hsus director was vegetarianism for all in north America. Wonder how that will work out for him? I'd venture to guess not too well. Too many extremist ideas and nothing other than cash donations from a bunch of misinformed "sheep"...... By the way, did you know that the hsus doesn't maintain a single animal shelter in the US? Suprised me too, considering that's what they put on tv to solicit donations from the otherwise unknowing general public......which is why I'd not donate to them....I'd donate directly to a shelter that I know would use it as it was indicated it would be! There's lots of good reading on the subject right here online....just a few clicks will get you all the information you'll need to be sick at your stomach!
Last Edited By: speedymoose 06/30/08 11:34 PM.
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Zimarina |
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Did you know PETA kills over 98% of the animals that come into their "protection".
It's in the works for them to lose their "rescue" status, or whatever they call themselves. |
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rakpat |
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Holy Crap.. kay that is all I have to say.. Unreal..!
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